Thursday, March 15, 2012

A Touch of Sarcasm

scott - Yesterday 10:58 PM - Limited

If government carries out the will of the people, why does it have to keep guns pointed at them all the time?

Jacob S. - {sarcasm} Well, as everyone already knows, which is hardly worth discussing, and it's pretty ridiculous to even ask the question, the people have elected their representatives, to force themselves to do what the people want themselves to do, because of their implicit consent to the social contract, which is an undeniable & irrefutable fact and we can not discuss this further until you convince me that everything you would like to propose is reasonable to me, because you are trying to trick me into asking questions which already contain your premises. [ lol ]

scot - {sarcasm} MMM hmm. There's no gun pointed at anyone, it's an administrative thing.

Jacob S. - [sarcasm} If you want to live in a society, then everyone has to obey the rules, no matter how arbitrary, unreasonable, unjust or sometimes contradictory/physically-impossible. You have implictly consented to obey all those rules, so if you don't, no one has forced you to do anything, you agree to be punished by your implicit consent of the social contract; in fact, due to the social contract, if you think about it, it is you, that is putting yourself in jail for not obeying the rules of the authorities [and similarly, if you think about it, because of the implicit consent of the social contract, the Jews weren't murdered during the Holocaust, they by their implicit consent, they committed assisted-suicide].
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12:54 PM - Edit

Tom- "What's this gun you keep referring to? I've paid taxes all my life and no one has ever pointed a gun at me."

As well as I can remember the quote from an actual discussion thread I was on once.
1:03 PM

Jacob S. "I am happy to pay taxes, because I see that the government does some really good things with that money! Sure they do some things I don't necessarily agree with, but the military is currently undergoing drastic reductions, and foreign military intervention is being decreased. The coercion by force to pay taxes comes in when people break the law. If you choose to break the law, then you choose to endure the consequences."

scott - {sarcasm} Yes, yes all this talk about guns is just scare tactics. Over-dramatizing libertarian crusaders. People implicitly understand the social contract and their duty as an adult in society. There has to be some way to bring everybody into alignment on issues to have harmony. It's just the way it works. I don't see it being done any other way anyplace on earth and there's a got to be a reason for that.
1:09 PM

Jacob S. - {sarcasm} Exactly! If those libertarians can not point to a single place on earth, where people are given the "liberty" they talk so much about, then that is all the empirical proof that is needed, to demonstrate that such "liberty" in a society is not possible. In such a society, all there would be, is complete anarchy! All the bad/evil persons would organize into gangs and they would oppress the people and they would fight each other, until just one gang, got an edge on all the other gangs, and then came to tyrannize everyone! That's why we all implicitly consent to the social-contract and that's why we all need government to create rules for everyone, because without government, there would be one tyrannical gang, telling everyone what to do and punishing those that disobey!

Tom - Anarchy: Somalia. Mud huts. Warlords. Malaria.
1:53 PM

scott - Exactly! You don't want one big gang network controlling everything do you???? Why next thing you know you might have the evil genius bosses of this gang snatching up your kids and whisking them off every day to actually be brainwashed into thinking the gang is virtuous and protective, convincing them that learning and knowledge are boring, logic doesn't exist, and that they must obey the gang to be safe. I could imagine after a couple generations of that everybody would start thinking that way!!!!! You would even have people begging to be controlled by the gang, or believing they actually control the gang themselves and the gang is the only thing keeping them alive. They might even attack those who challenge the gang and become the staunchest defenders of the gang, becoming hysterical and arguing endlessly in defense of the gang and calling those who do not like the gang heartless, cruel, and anti-social!

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